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Old August 16th 2004, 19:31
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Someone had asked on a pervious thread about information on the Churchill Oke flame-thrower and their use at Dieppe. Unfortunately, I can't remember who asked the question or on what thread it was on, but this is what I have found regarding the subject.

The concept of the equipment was put forward by a Major Oke (hence, Oke flame-thrower). He suggested that the normal jettison fuel container, fitted to most tanks at this time, would make an ideal reservoir for a flame-thrower instead of the awkward trailer that was being used for this purpose on other tank mounted flame-thrower designs. The jettison fuel container was connected up to a Ronson-type projector and fitted to a Churchill tank where it was operated by a crew member from the hull MG gunner's seat. Thus the Churchill Oke flame-thrower was born.

The Churchill Oke, was developed by the Petroleum Warfare Department very quickly in 1942., so that the idea of a flame-throwing vehicle could be tested under combat conditions on the Dieppe Raid. A complete Ronson flame-throwing system was installed in a Churchill Mk II. The flame fuel container was mounted at the rear, and a pipe passed through the left pannier to project between the front horns (right of the hull MG).

Three of these vehicles took part on the Dieppe Raid, with the result that all three were destroyed before they could get into action.

The range of the Oke flame-thrower was 40 to 50 yards.

The top photo below shows the projector itself to the right of the hull MG, and the bottom photo shows the rear mounted fuel reservoir with the pipe leading from it to the front mounted projector.

So, to whoever it was that asked the question, here is the answer, although a bit brief.

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Old August 17th 2004, 02:08
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Someone had asked on a pervious thread about information on the Churchill Oke flame-thrower and their use at Dieppe.
Here you go: Canadian Churchill VII question
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Old August 17th 2004, 06:18
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Old August 18th 2004, 14:37
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Found some information on the three Churchills that were equipped with the Oke flame-thrower system at Dieppe.

All three were crewed by 8 Troop, "B" Squadron, 14th Army Tank Regiment (The Calgary Regiment (Tank)), C.A.C. and were carried on TLC-3 (Tank Landing Craft) No 159. The three Churchills were:

Vehicle Name: BULL
W.D. #: T 31862
Vehicle Type: Churchill MkI Oke
Sqn Tac Markings: 8 in a blue square

Vehicle Name: BOAR
W.D. #: T 32049
Vehicle Type: Churchill MkI Oke
Sqn Tac Markings: 8 in a blue square

Vehicle Name: Beetle
W.D. #: T 68875
Vehicle Type: Churchill MkI Oke
Sqn Tac Markings: 8 in a blue square

BULL was the Troop Commanders tank and was launched prematurely and 'drowned' in ten feet of water approx. 100 yds off shore. (the junction of Red and White Beaches)

BOAR, in making a 'heavy' landing from TLC-3, knocked off her flame-thrower fuel reservoir, but managed to cross the beach and onto the promenade in the area of the Cassino. She remained mobile throughout the morning before being ordered back to the beach to cover the withdrawal. Once back on the shoreline, she was made immobile and acted as a pillbox.

BEETLE, also landing 'heavy', broke a pin on her right track and remained immobilized on the shore line, at the eastern end of Red Beach, also acting as a pillbox.

Below are pictured BOAR (top photo) immobilized on the shoreline and the 'drowned' BULL (bottom photo). Notice the Oke flame projector to the right of BOAR's hull MG.
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Old August 18th 2004, 14:44
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The photo below shows the immobilized BEETLE on the shore line (LCT-3 in the background). Notice the flame-thrower fuel reservoir and the pipe leading into the left side pannier. The bottom photo is a close-up of BEETLE's flame-thrower fuel reservoir with the pipe leading away to the pannier.
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Old August 18th 2004, 14:52
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Below is an air reconnaissance photo taken by the R.A.F. on 21 August, 1942. Looking left to right, the final positions of #11 - BOAR, # 23 - the 'drowned' BULL and # 25 - BEETLE. The Cassino is in the lower left corner of the photo.
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Old October 19th 2004, 15:36
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Mr Tonner, I'm very interested in learning more about Dieppe as I've been researching it for a few months now and hope to map out the exact course of events based on eyewitness accounts and all other forms of evidence.

The airphoto caught my eye - do you have the key to the other numbers? It would help me greatly to learn the exact position of each tank.

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Old October 19th 2004, 17:13
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Mr Tonner, I'm very interested in learning more about Dieppe as I've been researching it for a few months now and hope to map out the exact course of events based on eyewitness accounts and all other forms of evidence.

The airphoto caught my eye - do you have the key to the other numbers? It would help me greatly to learn the exact position of each tank.

Thanks, Stefan.
Hi Stefan;

No need to be so formal, "Mark" will do fine, instead of "Mr. Tonner".

In answer to your question, yes I have the key to the other numbers, would you like me to post the corresponding information for these numbers?

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Old October 19th 2004, 17:22
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Please do, Mark It'd be a great help!

I've noticed it's always good to start off formal and work down, noticed some people get reluctant if you go the other way
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Old October 19th 2004, 17:28
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Please do, Mark It'd be a great help!

I've noticed it's always good to start off formal and work down, noticed some people get reluctant if you go the other way
I'll repost the picture and the complete key within the next day or so.

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Old October 19th 2004, 18:20
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Here's an interesting tidbit from the Dieppe raid. I had a neighbour who commanded a normal Churchill in the raid. In their briefing they were told that none of the houses in Dieppe had basements. He came ashore and made it through all the barriers and up into the town. There was a house in the way so he went through it. You guessed it! It had a basement and he was stuck, so the crew made their way back to the beach on foot and most were evacuated.
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