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Old January 31st 2010, 05:55
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Hanno - thanks for the warm welcome and hope you will find my contribution useful.
Marbeth,

Thank you, your contributions are very useful. Here`s hoping this forum enables us to find the snippets of information and then piece them together to complete the puzzle.

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Old January 31st 2010, 06:03
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I have summarised the events of Friday, 28 April 1944 when Erick Hendrik den Hollander crashed into my Grandfather’s farm. The information outlined below was supplied to me by my father, James McCarroll, and his friend Sam Gaston who was an eye-witness to the crash.
Marbeth, thank you very much for the account. After reading it, I can imagine this crash made a deep and lasting impression on your family.

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EH den Hollander was laid to rest in St Canice's Churchyard, Eglinton, N Ireland.
Paul made a picture of Erik's grave a couple of years ago:
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KONINKRIJK
DER NEDERLANDEN
E. H. DEN HOLLANDER
OFF. VL. 3E KL.
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29-9-1922
28-4-1944

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Old January 31st 2010, 06:08
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From the same source a photo from J.Blok.
Marco,

Thanks again for the pictures!

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Old January 31st 2010, 06:19
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I just find it so very sad when I think of FAA 1847 Squadron, which was formed 1/2/1944 with 4 British and 8 Dutch pilots. 6 of its members were lost, ie half of the squadron, in flying accidents between 27/3/1944 and 18/5/1944 ie in less than 2 months. Of the 6 pilots killed in this period, 5 of them were Dutch and all died in training accidents. Can anyone tell me if it was 'normal' for such a high percentage of any one squadron to be killed during training exercises?
Marbeth,

It was certainly not "normal" as this was a very high number of losses. Our family has wondered about this as well. One of the theories (named so as I cannot back it up with archive references) is that the pilots were put under high pressure training so the Squadron would be ready for the upcoming invasion. This led to the Squadron Commander and/or pilots taking unacceptable risks. As we have seen the result was disastrous. Word has it Commanding Officer L/C(A) H Colville-Stewart RNVR was relieved from his position, and 1847 Sqn was disbanded at Eglington in May 1944. The remainder of the squadron was absorbed into 1840 Squadron.

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Old February 1st 2010, 18:03
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Hanno

Yes...... it is difficult to understand how so many died in training exercises in such a short space of time; somehow the mind could accept their deaths more readily had they been killed in combat.

I cannot even begin to understand how their Commanding Officer, L/C(A) H Colville-Stewart RNVR must have felt in trying to come to terms with the loss of so many young men under his command. You say he was relieved of his post; in that case, do you think he would have been allocated a job on the ground.

Surely the deaths of these young men, whatever the cause(s) must have adversely affected him for the rest of his natural life.

Your grandfather's brother, Johannes Blok, was born in Java, as was EH den Hollander. Might I ask what happened to Johanne's parents (your G'Grand-parents)and siblings during the war years? Did they relocate elsewhere before the Japanese invasion of Java? The reason I ask is that it might give me some indication as to what happened to the den Hollander family?

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Old February 7th 2010, 10:03
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Marbeth,

When war broke out, many Dutch men were called for military service in the Netherlands East Indies.
The Dutch Navy had a flying school in the region and I think that Johannes Blok and EH den Hollander were in this school.

Just before the capitulation to Japan, all personel/flyers from that school were transfered to the Royal Netherlands Military Flying School at Jackson Army Air Base in Februari 1942.

So I think that Johannes Blok and EH den Hollander, and maybe their family made this same move.

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Old February 8th 2010, 15:52
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Marco
Thanks for that information.
The only information I know at present is that a Den Hollander family, father H.G.. travelling with P.W. and E.H., sailed from Sabang, near Batavia, Java, with vessel Sibajak, to Rotterdam on 21/7/1935. The same three people sailed back from Rotterdam to Batavia with vessel Dempo on 3/4/1936. (Data from Passenger lists). These apparently are the only occurrences of people with the name den Hollander travelling between NEI and the Netherlands 1910-1940 and 1945-1964 periods. Although it is not certain, odds are that the above E.H is Erick Hendrick.
If the above supposition is correct - Erick Hendrik's father was H.G. den Hollander. Do you know if any records were kept in USA of Dutch people who relocated there from Java during or after WW2?
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